{"id":170,"date":"2007-05-02T07:25:00","date_gmt":"2007-05-02T12:25:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/69.80.208.152\/affiliateprogramadvice\/?p=170"},"modified":"2008-02-21T21:09:47","modified_gmt":"2008-02-22T02:09:47","slug":"asos-md-rebuttal","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.affiliateprogramadvice.com\/index.php\/2007\/05\/02\/asos-md-rebuttal\/","title":{"rendered":"ASOS MD Rebuttal"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\"><br \/>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\"><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">Source <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/\"><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">e-consultancy<\/span><\/a><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">ASOS CEO Nick<br \/>\nRobertson was at the centre of a firestorm six weeks ago when he labelled<br \/>\naffiliates &#8216;grubby&#8217;.<br \/>\nIn this interview, his first since <\/span><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-3\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\" title=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-3\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\"><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">&#8216;Grubbygate&#8217;<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">, Nick explains<br \/>\nthe reasons behind his decision to close down the ASOS affiliate programme. The<br \/>\netailer certainly <\/span><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-4\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\" title=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-4\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\"><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">doesn&#8217;t seem to have been hampered<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\"> by its decision&#8230;<br \/>\n&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br \/>\nCan you throw some light on the issues you were having with your affiliate<br \/>\nprogramme when you ditched it, and clarify what you meant by <\/span><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-5\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\" title=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-5\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\"><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">your comments<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\"> in NMA?<br \/>\nThe problems we were having were that we were paying commissions on sales we<br \/>\nwould have generated ourselves.<br \/>\nAbout a year and a half to two years ago, we<br \/>\ntook a view &#8211; and it was a very harsh view &#8211; that by culling our affiliate<br \/>\nprogramme and paying no commissions on sales, we might dent our top line<br \/>\nslightly but we would be considerably more profitable. We would re-invest that<br \/>\nprofit into brand marketing to drive top line sales, on which we would not be<br \/>\npaying commission.<br \/>\nLet me put it into perspective. We had an affiliate<br \/>\nprogramme and we had an affiliate manager that the affiliates loved. I&#8217;m hardly<br \/>\nsurprised, because we made those affiliates a bloody fortune. We had a 60 day<br \/>\ncookie period and 12-15% commissions.When you get bigger, you find<br \/>\nthat. your customers are travelling around the web and are picking up these<br \/>\ncookies left, right and centre. We found we were paying commissions on sales to<br \/>\ncustomers that would have come to us anyway. They might not have come straight<br \/>\naway but they were familiar with <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-6\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\" title=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-6\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\"><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">ASOS<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">, they knew ASOS, but<br \/>\nthey just had to click on some other sites and we would have to pay commissions<br \/>\non themWe have been proved absolutely right &#8211; more than right. It<br \/>\nhasn&#8217;t dented our top line sales at all. Look at the figures. Look at the top<br \/>\nline growth of <\/span><\/p>\n<p><\/span><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-7\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\" title=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-7\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\"><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">Figleaves<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">, <\/span><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-8\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\" title=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-8\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\"><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">Firebox<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">, <\/span><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-9\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\" title=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-9\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\"><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">Iwantoneofthose<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\"> or <\/span><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-10\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\" title=\"http:\/\/www.e-consultancy.com\/go\/NL3223-10\/YIX-N2HJ-9CJ\"><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">NET-A-PORTER<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">. These are sites that spend considerable amounts of money on affiliate<br \/>\nmarketing and we are outstripping the growth of all of them.<br \/>\n&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br \/>\nWhy didn&#8217;t you just reduce the cookie period?<br \/>\nBecause we were still<br \/>\npaying commissions. We did end up reducing it from 60 days to 30 days to one<br \/>\nweek, I think.<br \/>\nTo be honest, what was happening was that it was taking so<br \/>\nlong to police it. You&#8217;d have affiliates who would ask to be involved in the<br \/>\nprogramme and register one site, and then, funnily enough, just use the codes to<br \/>\nopen up a completely different site.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">We would run a discount promotion<br \/>\nwith a magazine like Grazia, a tactical marketing initiative, and that discount<br \/>\nwould be widely used all over the internet. These were affiliates who we had<br \/>\ntold not to generate traffic on the back of discount codes.<\/p>\n<p>It got to<br \/>\nthe point where it was a full time policing job just to stop the unethical and<br \/>\nagainst-the-rules practices that these affiliates were employing. What happened<br \/>\nwas the bad affiliates tarnished the good affiliates and we just culled the lot.<br \/>\nAnd we haven&#8217;t looked back. I&#8217;m not in any hurry to introduce a new affiliate<br \/>\nprogramme.<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">Personally, I think there is a lot missing and I could sit here forever pulling this to bits, but&#8230; I would rather focus on merchants that get it, then waste anymore time. I do wonder, if I had a time machine and could go back and advise ASOS in the very early years to kill their affiliate program back then, I wonder, where would they be today<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 85%; font-family: arial\">It&#8217;s clear we have differing opinions and affiliate marketing and ASOS, it just conflicts with each other today.<br \/>\n&#8220;I&#8217;m not in any hurry to introduce a new affiliate programme.&#8221; We wont lose too much sleep waiting.<br \/>\nI did speak to Nick yesterday, it was a really good chat and he made some valid points but the upshot is, we agreed to disagree and I think we will both leave it at that!<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Source e-consultancy ASOS CEO Nick Robertson was at the centre of a firestorm six weeks ago when he labelled affiliates &#8216;grubby&#8217;. In this interview, his first since &#8216;Grubbygate&#8217;, Nick explains the reasons behind his decision to close down the ASOS affiliate programme. The etailer certainly doesn&#8217;t seem to have been hampered by its decision&#8230; &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.affiliateprogramadvice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/170"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.affiliateprogramadvice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.affiliateprogramadvice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.affiliateprogramadvice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.affiliateprogramadvice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=170"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/www.affiliateprogramadvice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/170\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.affiliateprogramadvice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=170"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.affiliateprogramadvice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=170"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.affiliateprogramadvice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=170"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}